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Post by stevant on Nov 27, 2014 17:07:01 GMT
Hi all, i'm having a problem using the BFF software for my x-plane. I don't think its the software but my system is having port issues when opening it. I have tried to clear the ports with a program I downloaded but still getting the same error. I don't get it on Iracing or anything else. Ian has been trying to help but I'm reaching out to the group for other answers if any. I cannot use my motion platform for x-plane until resolved. I did not have a problem when running on my laptop but I do with my gaming computer with triple screen setup. Ian suggests changing the port value to 48001 when setting up the software but it appeared to be utilized by my nvidia streaming. I have since turned streaming off, I still see it as connected to it but there is no activity on it. This gets beyond my knowledge so any insight or help would be appreciated. Happy Thanksgiving to all! Sincerely, Steven PS - it's winsock not windstock..........spellcheck!!!!!
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Post by tronicgr on Nov 27, 2014 17:11:06 GMT
Hi Steven,
Can you try to set a random port on both x-plane and BFF software? Like 4321 ?
Also what antivirus do you have installed? It might have firewall enabled. Or you might have Microsoft Windows Defender enabled that is just same bad...
Thanks Thanos
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Post by stevant on Nov 27, 2014 17:15:42 GMT
I disabled Norton antivirus but not Windows defender. I will try that now again. I did try random ports in the x-plane software but not sure how to change in BFF. I was still getting the same error.
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Post by stevant on Nov 27, 2014 17:27:32 GMT
I found where to change the port in BFF. I will look try a random one and match it to x-plane.....I'll keep you posted.
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Post by stevant on Nov 27, 2014 17:54:33 GMT
It worked........I set the port in my BFF file to 54321 and I matched that to my receiving port in X-plane to 54321....and it is working!!!!!!!! Hurray!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by stevant on Nov 28, 2014 14:50:09 GMT
Ok, next problem. I have the motion working somewhat, as soon as I make the changes to x-plane for the network connections and the Data Input and Output, my joystick stops working except for the nose wheel and the throttle. How weird. The other problem is once I make the network changes as per Ian's guide, once I close out of the program I can no longer get into it. It errors and I need to reload the program....how bizarre!!!!
I just found out that I can go into my X-Plane folder, then the Output folder, then the Preferences program and clear it out. That should allow me to get back into the program without reloading it. Still need to find out why the Joystick will not work once I make the Net Connections changes along with the Data Outptu and Input changes.....
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Post by stevant on Nov 29, 2014 1:37:58 GMT
Hi Thanos........I disabled all the antivirus software and I was able to get xplane to work with the platform. I'm going to try again tomorrow to see if I can go in and out of the program. The one issue I am experiencing is there is a subtle random motion, very subtle, that I am experiencing. Almost like the motors are positioning themselves, which I know they do, but the platform seems to be repositioning at times it shouldn't. Not sure if it is cues doing it or some tweaking that is needed in my setup. What do you think?
Landing the plane felt amazing. The decent felt like I was actually landing a plane.
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Post by tronicgr on Nov 29, 2014 4:46:40 GMT
Hi Steven, for the random motion you see sometimes, try to increase the Timeout values to 4 or 5, so it won't kick to OFFLINE mode the motors and try to park them. Sometimes its very calm in flight and the AMC1280USB does not see new position changes and thinks there is no more activity from the game and try to park the motors.
Make a video of that random motion to see if possible...
Thanks
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Post by stevant on Nov 29, 2014 6:32:35 GMT
Timeout values? I assume that is on the AMC1280USB menu? I'm going to take a look now. Thanks as always!!
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Post by stevant on Nov 29, 2014 7:17:47 GMT
Can't seem to find the menu where to change the Timeout values.........
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Post by stevant on Nov 29, 2014 7:36:28 GMT
I took a look at one of your videos and I found it. I changed the value to 5. I'll let you know how it goes. I'll see which number works out better. I assume the longer the timeout the longer the AMC will be waiting for info before trying to park the motors?
Thanks!!!!!!!
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Post by stevant on Nov 29, 2014 15:18:13 GMT
Would bringing my over sample from 4 to say 1 make the platform a little smoother as it's not looking to process as frequent causing less abrupt small movements?
Just a thought......
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Post by tronicgr on Nov 29, 2014 17:27:55 GMT
Would bringing my over sample from 4 to say 1 make the platform a little smoother as it's not looking to process as frequent causing less abrupt small movements? Just a thought...... The lower the number of the oversample the lower the accuracy of the analog sensor. 1= 1024 positions 2= 2048 positions 3= 4096 positions 4= 8192 positions etc... Bringing it down to 1 will be smoother as the PID calculates faster, but it might also introduce noise, and the VFD will keep try to drive the motor forth and back in very small speed steps. See the numbers on the VFDs, and change the Oversample up or down until you see them settle down. Increasing the oversample might require you to lower more the P (from PID), so it won't overshoot. You just have to find a good middle solution that fits the motors and the PID settings. Thanks Thanos
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Post by stevant on Nov 29, 2014 19:21:24 GMT
A challenge that is. I set it to 2 from 4. Can't really tell a difference but I am still getting random, subtle movement in the platform when I don't think I should. I noticed it when flying more so but now that I know it's there I feel it when racing. Almost like a small bump in the road or small turbulence when there is none. I sent the feedback to Ian as maybe it can be smoothed out in the software or eliminated. It might be nuances he has put in for more feel but maybe it can be tamed a bit more. I might be to critical Thanos but trying to get it just right. It is amazing now, believe me but I'm a perfectionist and I'll try to do my part so we can all take our simulation to the next level. Can I raise the Oversample high then like at 10? Might that eliminate some of the unwanted subtlties? After you land your job, I have confidence you will, come to NY and give her a try!!
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Post by tronicgr on Nov 29, 2014 19:43:57 GMT
I think Ian has two modes in his software for the AMC1280USB: BIN2TH and BINTH .... One of them does not use smoothing filter that might be responsible for these bumps... I didn't had the time to check them and compare between those two modes. Yes, you can increase the oversample more, I would say 6 or 8. not more for your actuators as they are fast! You would have to decrease the max speed more then... I would love to come and see it myself!! Its just perfect!!
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